Homeless Guy on "Being forced Into Homelessness" and "What happens after homelessness?"
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:40 am
Description
Is it possible to be forced into homelessness or is it always a choice be the individual who experiences it. at some level? Would a reasonable person say they should have had savings? A backup place to stay like a relative?
What happens after a person becomes homeless? In the same town, or after moving to a new town? And then what happens after the person is no longer homeless? Is there going back for the people who acted shamefully and treated them poorly? Simply being skeptical of the homeless is healthy and good, but once they start spreading rumors and more it becomes a Karmic problem.
Not a ton of conclusions here, just thinking about the scenarios and giving my observations / impressions.
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUYBNeHV-8
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Yo and welcome to the Ice Pooge Daily Channel.
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This is an experimental tech and media brand.
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We're doing daily 20 minute posts and that's been going on for about a month.
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Usually on the top of homeless guy this or that.
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And yeah, I don't want to be homeless for much longer.
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It's been like six years.
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And I'm tired of answering questions about it, talking about it.
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Your solution is probably not good and doesn't work, et cetera.
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Like, I just don't need to hear about any.
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This or that, like, I have a job.
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It's, I've had several jobs.
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But things like pandemic and this and that have just gotten in the way.
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Like, there's no doubt that I'll be able to get off the street.
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It's just, it's a process that takes a certain amount of uninterrupted time.
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And what I'm forced to quit a job due to horrible management or this or that.
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It is what it is.
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I'm not going to stick with a crap job just because I need to get off the street.
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As dumb as that sounds to anyone who's not lived on the street before.
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Did you know that homeless people are people?
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We have things like integrity and values and boundaries and things that we will not tolerate.
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Just because we're homeless doesn't mean we'll tolerate anything.
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We are allowed to walk away.
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We are allowed to have negative opinions about the way people treat us on this or that.
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Anyway, that's not what this post is about.
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So I was thinking along the lines of once.
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So first impressions, it takes like 40 subsequent impressions to balance out the first impressions.
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So first impressions are extremely powerful.
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So every time I'm forced back down into homelessness, I could live in the car.
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And if I have the choice to move out of the car that I'm not homeless,
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exact same everything, but if I don't have a choice to do anything else that I'm homeless.
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So every time I'm forced into homelessness, is that a real thing?
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If your boss is intentionally inflicting emotional distress on you and trying to force you to quit, so called.
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Like, have they forced you into homelessness or should you have had some kind of savings or something like that?
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Like, what can be reasonably expected of a person?
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Well, most Americans can't cover a $500 emergency.
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They say, or $1,000 emergency, paycheck to paycheck living.
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So what is the reasonable person say?
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Can a boss make their former employee homeless by abusing them and forcing them to quit?
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Maybe, maybe.
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Would it be the family of origins responsibility to take them in and provide for them?
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And if there are abusive and force the person to leave the house,
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because they don't want to tolerate the poor treatment anymore,
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did they force the person into homelessness?
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Is there some social contract that says the family of origin has to take care of the homeless person?
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Because if you ask people, what do you think about giving a homeless person a bus ticket home?
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Everyone will jump and say, yes, that's exactly the solution.
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We need to give them a bus ticket home.
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So, that leaves a lot of room for manipulation from bad actor parents.
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I've probably covered that on some past topics, some past days.
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Because I'm not focused on whether yes or no someone can be forced into homelessness.
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Like, okay, once someone is homeless, there's a deterministic process that happens.
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If they are in an existing place, their friends will abandon them or all they'll ask about is,
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do you have a place to live yet or whatever?
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The brain resists change.
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I don't know all the machinery behind this happening.
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But I think one thing is the brain resists change.
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So it's painful for people to see something different and be.
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People are worried about their position, and so now they have.
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They had you as a friend before who is good, productive, good reputation, everything.
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So it was easy to be friends.
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Like, by being friends, they looked good.
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They looked more competent, etc.
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But once you become homeless, it's not obvious that your friendship is beneficial anymore.
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So now they're friends with some homeless guy.
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How are you helping them?
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Well, they've got ladders to climb.
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They can't spend time on a homeless guy anymore.
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And so now it could be as little as ghosting or as much as actually setting you up to look bad to other people.
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So that's just a straight up total discard.
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And maybe they can get some virtue for saying like,
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Oh, this guy was a bad guy.
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He did bad things. He had bad opinions and I exposed him.
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And now I get to climb a little bit higher and he's gone.
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So double win.
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And if you go to a new town, like everyone's going to be apprehensive of the newcomer to begin with,
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you have no social proof.
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Nothing, you might have some reputation on paper, maybe.
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Left over for your new boss, your new management to get an initial impression of you with.
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But otherwise that's it.
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And then, okay, how much savings did you have?
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Do you have any money after you've moved or you're still in the same place?
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Like, how much of your normal like chosen lifestyle, your bot personality, can you maintain?
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Probably not as much as you'd like to.
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So you're not really giving yourself as a first impression to all these new people.
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In this new place, or, you know, the first impression that you gave everybody now that you can't afford to get your clothes dry cleaned or wear dry cleaned clothes all the time or.
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Go to, you know, your favorite coffee shop and order a bunch of stuff.
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Maybe now you just order black coffee and like people notice and ask,
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Oh, you're just getting coffee now, huh?
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Cut now at the sugar a buddy, you know.
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No, just cutting three or four dollars off my drink.
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So,
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And then you're like walking around weird like me.
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I haven't done my laundry and weeks even though I started a new job a long time ago.
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Because like the first two or three paychecks, just go to catch and stuff up.
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Just go to like getting berry essentials that have been gone without.
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You know, eventually laundry will catch up, but it's one of the lowest priority things.
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And so now, everywhere you go, you're looking a little greasy, a little dis, you know, not quite put together.
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Because you're not wearing crispy clean clothes anymore.
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And so now like days, weeks, months go by.
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You're making first impressions all around town as you're like getting your paychecks.
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You're starting to save money, you're starting to get back to where you could think about getting a place.
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Et cetera, but now all these people have already treated you so shamefully.
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That once you start getting back into your bot personality, you know, you get a new pair of shoes, you get a new belt, you get some new shirts, you know.
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You're starting to look like a normal house person again, maybe even are renting a room now, you're doing your laundry every week.
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You get a new belt, you know, all this stuff, little things, you stay shaved more.
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Now all these people who have treated you shamefully, like, looked at you like you were invisible when you tried to greet them on the street, you know.
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It may be recognizable people from within the town too, who are friendly to everyone.
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And their life looks at them funny when they ignore you walking past because it's out of character for them to do that.
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Just like, you know, you go to the Starbucks, all the baristas know you.
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They may be wrong, they think you bathe in the bathroom, know you bathe at the gym.
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But because so many homeless people abuse the bathroom and you're like the only homeless person who's there working all the time actually being productive.
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It's like they see you and they see that you're skinny, weak, etc.
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So even if they're wrong, they don't care.
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Like they've got somebody to blame for the bathroom issue, they've got a face to put on the issue.
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So it's like when you leave the bathroom, they remember, oh yeah, we haven't changed the bathroom code in a while.
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They say something about it out loud and you feel like incredibly unwelcome.
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You don't 100% know that that's what they said, but if you go in the next time in the bathroom code is different, you're sure that's what they said.
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The probability of that being a coincidence is so small.
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That you hear something that sounds like that.
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The moment you're coming out of the bathroom and then you come back, the bathroom code's changed.
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It hasn't been changed for like a month or two.
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Well, you probably heard that and there's a good chance that you're leaving the bathroom reminded them that they need to change the code for whatever reason.
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What else ahead of bunch of things today?
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Up that alley.
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Because yeah, and then it's just like Karen's walking their dog and watching you and like,
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So you work in, you know, you work downtown, you have to go through like a private parking lot that's no trespassing.
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And like the woman calls the cops and says, hey, there's a suspicious looking person trespassing on this property.
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Is it your property miss? No, it's not well.
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Well, that's your property. We can't really do anything about it.
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So it's just like, well, I thought I'd just be a good, a good neighbor and make sure that, well, is it possible that this person is authorized to be on this private property?
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No trespassing. Like, maybe they work in that building. Oh, I don't know. I didn't think of that. He just looks very suspicious.
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I just thought you guys should know officer.
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You know what I mean?
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So it's like the police get all these, you know,
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Good Samaritan information about person matching the same description.
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And then, so this is one that I noticed, like, okay, if you're like busted down homeless looking, you go to Starbucks.
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This is consistent with people watching to do well, but not better than them.
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I feel like I'm like the epitome of the homeless problem at Starbucks, even though I'm basically not even a homeless customer.
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Like, I don't wash myself in the bathroom. I don't go in and not order a drink.
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Like, I always buy a drink in tip. Like, I don't order ice water or anything like that.
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Like, I'm the most non homeless homeless customer there is.
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But then on the flip side, I'm like the customer that reminds them of the homeless problem the most.
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And in a way, it's like the less greasy I look, the more I'm probably sneaking into their bathroom and using it as my shower in their mind.
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Like, man, he's barely looking homeless.
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He must really be washing himself hard in our bathroom.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I don't have any evidence for that one.
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It's just like, I'm the homeless guy who's always there for the last couple months.
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And I've been going in for like six months.
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Like, there's not a lot of homeless people there.
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There's a couple who go in every now and then there's a random who goes in and they just don't buy anything.
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And they're like so polite, courteous, consider like they're like the most like they give the Duke hair to the homeless people.
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But then I go in there, I'm homeless and I just get like the child abuse treatment like the most undesirable customer who could possibly be there.
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It's like familiarity breeds contempt or I look kind of like the uncanny valley of non homeless where it's like the uncanny valley in like 3D rendering is where something looks almost human but not quite.
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And it looks like scary and off putting like it's actually disturbing because it's like pretty close but it's just off.
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So that's the uncanny valley.
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So it's like I'm in the uncanny valley of non homelessness like people see me and know that I'm homeless other people homeless people see me and know that I'm homeless.
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But I'm like barely like you want to see me and see a normal person but you see a homeless guy it's like.
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It's like I'm a fat unattractive woman when you're drunk and it's like you see like you and I'm giving you the signs and it's like you see all women's giving me the signs I want to get down tonight.
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And you're like seeing her as a woman but you're like no and she's like this land whale you're like oh let me get some shots man you know what I mean it's like.
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In that case you you want the person of your desire and most case people don't want to like me they want to dislike me or like it's their job to like me but they just don't sort of thing.
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So yes we have a person parking right next to me so we'll see if I can still concentrate on this.
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Of course at the conclusion right the last four minutes.
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So that's like the big one is the Karen's what are all the Karen's who like report me to neighborhood watch and this and I can do.
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When I'm no longer homeless like I think it's going to be their karma is going to catch up with them somehow or like people who you know contact homeless outreach services about oh there's a homeless guy sleeping in his car over there like you better go just like check up on them and then the homeless services come up to me and I'm like leave me alone.
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Like I didn't call you I don't need your help. Oh, but you're a homeless person where it's our job to help you like did I ask and we'll know but it concerned neighbor did like oh this neighborhood this neighborhood has my best interest in mind or their property value in mind right.
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Like I don't want to deal with anything official and so everyone who like submits me to a hotline or a database or anything is actually hurting me.
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It's like.
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Like I said after like my third paycheck I might not have to call myself homeless anymore does that mean I'll immediately go and get an apartment or lease a van or this to that.
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I'm so tired of not being able to be productive that I'm going to do something as soon as I can.
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Because this situation is just not working for a couple reasons like the main thing is I just need some place of privacy where I'm not forced to go to Starbucks every day for internet connection like.
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Like one possible path is the tinted windows and the mobile service then I could find a parking lot get in the back seats and just use my mobile internet and be in there with tinted windows all good.
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And unlike without tinted windows and people see like a skinny oppressor sitting in the car like people might think I'm like a big buff threatening person.
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In a car with tinted windows if they can't actually see me and so they're not going to feel as confident just approaching it'll be more like a no harm no follow thing well he's not hurting anyone just sitting there.
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But if they just see like some skinny oppressor guy like me they're like oh yeah we better go collect this karma and make this guy get out here for all the things that his ancestors did to our ancestors allegedly.
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So what else there's just so many things coming off of this topic that I wanted to cover I want to like give it a coherent meaning in our one last minute here.
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So it's just like yeah what happens like when I'm the mayor and everyone has treated me like crap and I have only good to say about the town and like a few people who treated me well but like.
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Just everywhere it's not that everyone treated me bad it's that a sample of people everywhere treated me bad and they're not wrong and I still want to be part of this town and they're not wrong for being apprehensive about homeless people they're wrong in this case but how can they know that I can't be mad at that.
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So anyway thanks for joining hopefully you got something out of this and I'm looking forward to see you next time take care.
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Is it possible to be forced into homelessness or is it always a choice be the individual who experiences it. at some level? Would a reasonable person say they should have had savings? A backup place to stay like a relative?
What happens after a person becomes homeless? In the same town, or after moving to a new town? And then what happens after the person is no longer homeless? Is there going back for the people who acted shamefully and treated them poorly? Simply being skeptical of the homeless is healthy and good, but once they start spreading rumors and more it becomes a Karmic problem.
Not a ton of conclusions here, just thinking about the scenarios and giving my observations / impressions.
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUYBNeHV-8
Transcript
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Yo and welcome to the Ice Pooge Daily Channel.
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This is an experimental tech and media brand.
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We're doing daily 20 minute posts and that's been going on for about a month.
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Usually on the top of homeless guy this or that.
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And yeah, I don't want to be homeless for much longer.
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It's been like six years.
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And I'm tired of answering questions about it, talking about it.
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Your solution is probably not good and doesn't work, et cetera.
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Like, I just don't need to hear about any.
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This or that, like, I have a job.
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It's, I've had several jobs.
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But things like pandemic and this and that have just gotten in the way.
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Like, there's no doubt that I'll be able to get off the street.
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It's just, it's a process that takes a certain amount of uninterrupted time.
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And what I'm forced to quit a job due to horrible management or this or that.
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It is what it is.
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I'm not going to stick with a crap job just because I need to get off the street.
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As dumb as that sounds to anyone who's not lived on the street before.
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Did you know that homeless people are people?
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We have things like integrity and values and boundaries and things that we will not tolerate.
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Just because we're homeless doesn't mean we'll tolerate anything.
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We are allowed to walk away.
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We are allowed to have negative opinions about the way people treat us on this or that.
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Anyway, that's not what this post is about.
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So I was thinking along the lines of once.
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So first impressions, it takes like 40 subsequent impressions to balance out the first impressions.
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So first impressions are extremely powerful.
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So every time I'm forced back down into homelessness, I could live in the car.
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And if I have the choice to move out of the car that I'm not homeless,
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exact same everything, but if I don't have a choice to do anything else that I'm homeless.
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So every time I'm forced into homelessness, is that a real thing?
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If your boss is intentionally inflicting emotional distress on you and trying to force you to quit, so called.
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Like, have they forced you into homelessness or should you have had some kind of savings or something like that?
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Like, what can be reasonably expected of a person?
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Well, most Americans can't cover a $500 emergency.
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They say, or $1,000 emergency, paycheck to paycheck living.
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So what is the reasonable person say?
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Can a boss make their former employee homeless by abusing them and forcing them to quit?
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Maybe, maybe.
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Would it be the family of origins responsibility to take them in and provide for them?
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And if there are abusive and force the person to leave the house,
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because they don't want to tolerate the poor treatment anymore,
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did they force the person into homelessness?
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Is there some social contract that says the family of origin has to take care of the homeless person?
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Because if you ask people, what do you think about giving a homeless person a bus ticket home?
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Everyone will jump and say, yes, that's exactly the solution.
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We need to give them a bus ticket home.
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So, that leaves a lot of room for manipulation from bad actor parents.
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I've probably covered that on some past topics, some past days.
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Because I'm not focused on whether yes or no someone can be forced into homelessness.
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Like, okay, once someone is homeless, there's a deterministic process that happens.
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If they are in an existing place, their friends will abandon them or all they'll ask about is,
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do you have a place to live yet or whatever?
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The brain resists change.
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I don't know all the machinery behind this happening.
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But I think one thing is the brain resists change.
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So it's painful for people to see something different and be.
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People are worried about their position, and so now they have.
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They had you as a friend before who is good, productive, good reputation, everything.
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So it was easy to be friends.
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Like, by being friends, they looked good.
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They looked more competent, etc.
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But once you become homeless, it's not obvious that your friendship is beneficial anymore.
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So now they're friends with some homeless guy.
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How are you helping them?
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Well, they've got ladders to climb.
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They can't spend time on a homeless guy anymore.
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And so now it could be as little as ghosting or as much as actually setting you up to look bad to other people.
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So that's just a straight up total discard.
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And maybe they can get some virtue for saying like,
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Oh, this guy was a bad guy.
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He did bad things. He had bad opinions and I exposed him.
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And now I get to climb a little bit higher and he's gone.
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So double win.
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And if you go to a new town, like everyone's going to be apprehensive of the newcomer to begin with,
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you have no social proof.
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And then, okay, how much savings did you have?
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Do you have any money after you've moved or you're still in the same place?
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Like, how much of your normal like chosen lifestyle, your bot personality, can you maintain?
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Probably not as much as you'd like to.
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So you're not really giving yourself as a first impression to all these new people.
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In this new place, or, you know, the first impression that you gave everybody now that you can't afford to get your clothes dry cleaned or wear dry cleaned clothes all the time or.
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Go to, you know, your favorite coffee shop and order a bunch of stuff.
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Maybe now you just order black coffee and like people notice and ask,
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Cut now at the sugar a buddy, you know.
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No, just cutting three or four dollars off my drink.
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I haven't done my laundry and weeks even though I started a new job a long time ago.
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Because like the first two or three paychecks, just go to catch and stuff up.
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Just go to like getting berry essentials that have been gone without.
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You know, eventually laundry will catch up, but it's one of the lowest priority things.
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You're making first impressions all around town as you're like getting your paychecks.
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You're starting to save money, you're starting to get back to where you could think about getting a place.
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Et cetera, but now all these people have already treated you so shamefully.
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That once you start getting back into your bot personality, you know, you get a new pair of shoes, you get a new belt, you get some new shirts, you know.
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You're starting to look like a normal house person again, maybe even are renting a room now, you're doing your laundry every week.
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You get a new belt, you know, all this stuff, little things, you stay shaved more.
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Now all these people who have treated you shamefully, like, looked at you like you were invisible when you tried to greet them on the street, you know.
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It may be recognizable people from within the town too, who are friendly to everyone.
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And their life looks at them funny when they ignore you walking past because it's out of character for them to do that.
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Just like, you know, you go to the Starbucks, all the baristas know you.
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They may be wrong, they think you bathe in the bathroom, know you bathe at the gym.
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But because so many homeless people abuse the bathroom and you're like the only homeless person who's there working all the time actually being productive.
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It's like they see you and they see that you're skinny, weak, etc.
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So even if they're wrong, they don't care.
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Like they've got somebody to blame for the bathroom issue, they've got a face to put on the issue.
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So it's like when you leave the bathroom, they remember, oh yeah, we haven't changed the bathroom code in a while.
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They say something about it out loud and you feel like incredibly unwelcome.
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You don't 100% know that that's what they said, but if you go in the next time in the bathroom code is different, you're sure that's what they said.
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The probability of that being a coincidence is so small.
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That you hear something that sounds like that.
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The moment you're coming out of the bathroom and then you come back, the bathroom code's changed.
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It hasn't been changed for like a month or two.
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Well, you probably heard that and there's a good chance that you're leaving the bathroom reminded them that they need to change the code for whatever reason.
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What else ahead of bunch of things today?
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Up that alley.
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Because yeah, and then it's just like Karen's walking their dog and watching you and like,
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So you work in, you know, you work downtown, you have to go through like a private parking lot that's no trespassing.
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And like the woman calls the cops and says, hey, there's a suspicious looking person trespassing on this property.
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Is it your property miss? No, it's not well.
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Well, that's your property. We can't really do anything about it.
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So it's just like, well, I thought I'd just be a good, a good neighbor and make sure that, well, is it possible that this person is authorized to be on this private property?
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No trespassing. Like, maybe they work in that building. Oh, I don't know. I didn't think of that. He just looks very suspicious.
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I just thought you guys should know officer.
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You know what I mean?
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So it's like the police get all these, you know,
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Good Samaritan information about person matching the same description.
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And then, so this is one that I noticed, like, okay, if you're like busted down homeless looking, you go to Starbucks.
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This is consistent with people watching to do well, but not better than them.
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I feel like I'm like the epitome of the homeless problem at Starbucks, even though I'm basically not even a homeless customer.
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Like, I don't wash myself in the bathroom. I don't go in and not order a drink.
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Like, I always buy a drink in tip. Like, I don't order ice water or anything like that.
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Like, I'm the most non homeless homeless customer there is.
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But then on the flip side, I'm like the customer that reminds them of the homeless problem the most.
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And in a way, it's like the less greasy I look, the more I'm probably sneaking into their bathroom and using it as my shower in their mind.
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Like, man, he's barely looking homeless.
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He must really be washing himself hard in our bathroom.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I don't have any evidence for that one.
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It's just like, I'm the homeless guy who's always there for the last couple months.
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And I've been going in for like six months.
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Like, there's not a lot of homeless people there.
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There's a couple who go in every now and then there's a random who goes in and they just don't buy anything.
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And they're like so polite, courteous, consider like they're like the most like they give the Duke hair to the homeless people.
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But then I go in there, I'm homeless and I just get like the child abuse treatment like the most undesirable customer who could possibly be there.
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It's like familiarity breeds contempt or I look kind of like the uncanny valley of non homeless where it's like the uncanny valley in like 3D rendering is where something looks almost human but not quite.
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And it looks like scary and off putting like it's actually disturbing because it's like pretty close but it's just off.
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So that's the uncanny valley.
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So it's like I'm in the uncanny valley of non homelessness like people see me and know that I'm homeless other people homeless people see me and know that I'm homeless.
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But I'm like barely like you want to see me and see a normal person but you see a homeless guy it's like.
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It's like I'm a fat unattractive woman when you're drunk and it's like you see like you and I'm giving you the signs and it's like you see all women's giving me the signs I want to get down tonight.
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And you're like seeing her as a woman but you're like no and she's like this land whale you're like oh let me get some shots man you know what I mean it's like.
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In that case you you want the person of your desire and most case people don't want to like me they want to dislike me or like it's their job to like me but they just don't sort of thing.
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So yes we have a person parking right next to me so we'll see if I can still concentrate on this.
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Of course at the conclusion right the last four minutes.
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So that's like the big one is the Karen's what are all the Karen's who like report me to neighborhood watch and this and I can do.
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When I'm no longer homeless like I think it's going to be their karma is going to catch up with them somehow or like people who you know contact homeless outreach services about oh there's a homeless guy sleeping in his car over there like you better go just like check up on them and then the homeless services come up to me and I'm like leave me alone.
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Like I didn't call you I don't need your help. Oh, but you're a homeless person where it's our job to help you like did I ask and we'll know but it concerned neighbor did like oh this neighborhood this neighborhood has my best interest in mind or their property value in mind right.
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Like I don't want to deal with anything official and so everyone who like submits me to a hotline or a database or anything is actually hurting me.
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It's like.
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Like I said after like my third paycheck I might not have to call myself homeless anymore does that mean I'll immediately go and get an apartment or lease a van or this to that.
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I'm so tired of not being able to be productive that I'm going to do something as soon as I can.
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Because this situation is just not working for a couple reasons like the main thing is I just need some place of privacy where I'm not forced to go to Starbucks every day for internet connection like.
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Like one possible path is the tinted windows and the mobile service then I could find a parking lot get in the back seats and just use my mobile internet and be in there with tinted windows all good.
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And unlike without tinted windows and people see like a skinny oppressor sitting in the car like people might think I'm like a big buff threatening person.
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In a car with tinted windows if they can't actually see me and so they're not going to feel as confident just approaching it'll be more like a no harm no follow thing well he's not hurting anyone just sitting there.
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But if they just see like some skinny oppressor guy like me they're like oh yeah we better go collect this karma and make this guy get out here for all the things that his ancestors did to our ancestors allegedly.
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So what else there's just so many things coming off of this topic that I wanted to cover I want to like give it a coherent meaning in our one last minute here.
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So it's just like yeah what happens like when I'm the mayor and everyone has treated me like crap and I have only good to say about the town and like a few people who treated me well but like.
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Just everywhere it's not that everyone treated me bad it's that a sample of people everywhere treated me bad and they're not wrong and I still want to be part of this town and they're not wrong for being apprehensive about homeless people they're wrong in this case but how can they know that I can't be mad at that.
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So anyway thanks for joining hopefully you got something out of this and I'm looking forward to see you next time take care.
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